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    Can any one create a plugin for the Paradox panels

    First of all I don't know if there are many Paradox Digiplex (or any other Paradox panel) users here, so please post here if you want a plugin for these great panels.


    I am still wondering why no one has ever created a single plugin for this panel until now!! It has a serial port built in the board and it uses common communication protocols, nothing complicated.


    For all the developers out there, Again please help Paradox users, create a decent plugin for these panels.


    For all Paradox users and lovers please post here so we can cooperate and make this happen, I am willing to do:


    1- Send a complete Paradox Digiplex system to any developer who is willing to create this plugin.

    2- Pay the initial development cost.

    3- Debug and test the plugin.


    So is there any developer willing to help here

    #2
    Paradox is a hidden Jewel

    I started dabbling in home automation about 13 years ago. Homeseer was one of the first places where I found many people trying out new technologies. X10 was the "king" back then and HAI was one of the original HA/Security Panels.

    To make a long story short I decided to get into the security business full time. I have been installing and monitoring security and fire alarms for over 10 years now. I have worked with the following systems:

    HAI, DSC, Ademco, Caddx/NetworkX, Radionics, Firelite, EDAta, Keyscan, Honeywell, Elk, Moose, and various others.

    I can say without any hesitation that Paradox is the best overall alarm for value and capabilities. Their downfall, is that they have focused on the international market and neglected the US.

    Paradox has a complete line of access control, security and fire. They have display keypads, wireless sensors, and relay control. They have prox readers with keypads and several other options. They even have a homeautomation module, which from my brief research should not be very difficult at all to install and write a plugin for. It is based on the ASCII protocol and has virtual devices on the alarm panel. I even filled out some paperwork and they sent me the source code for their communication protocol....to bad that was way over my head!

    As a security dealer I will sell/drop ship any pardox product at my wholesale cost to anyone on this message board if we can get a plugin built.

    I have done several systems with HAI, and I can honestly say it is not up to par. They have been working off the the same platform for many years. Paradox execs came from DSC and they started a new system from scratch based on the DSC product line.

    If anyone needs help with an existing system, please msg me and I will give you a hand.

    I have been busy with work, but I will try to take a look at the plugin again and see what needs to be done to create one.

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      #3
      Link to Paradox PRT3 Module ASCII Manual

      http://www.paradox.com/Documentation...ASCII-EP02.PDF

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        #4
        It would be great to see the Paradox panel sold here.

        Relating to combo HA/Security panels I looked in the 80's / 90's and there was no offerings from any large security panel companies of anything combining both HA and Security.

        Last year I entertained getting quotes from the big players relating to a commercial endeavor that combined both environmental / lighting and security (card access) and for two large commercial buildings and no one wanted to touch it (even Honeywell).

        I purchased a panel in the 80's-early 90's which had TTS / multiple zones for the home from a company in California called Excalibur. Sometime in the 90's looked at a prototype that included an X-10 powerline interface. This prototype never went to the market though.

        In the 90's and into the early 2000's there were no security panel/HA offerings except for HAI and Elk. There were a few companies starting to maybe look at HA in the early 2000's.

        Today and in the last 1-2 years the larger companies are seeing the "light" relating to a combination of an HA/Security DIY panel. I see HAI and DSC talking to each other. Some intercompany HA modularity and standards would be nice.

        Competition is healthy as it will provide more options, new standards and better pricing. I am curious what new standards will evolve relating to powerline technologies, HVAC (sound and video?)

        Most alarm companies which manage panels will not allow the end user to "totally" manage their security panel nor will the end user allow an alarm company to totally manage and bill for their HA.

        Personally I wouldn't have any issues with an alarm company wiring up security in my home but I wouldn't let that same company touch my fuse panel nor put in poweline switches. I would let a certified electrician combo Alarm specialist (HA specialist) do an Security/HA install in my home.

        The HAI panels while somewhat dated (what would be defined as dated?) in their methodology and integration of HA and Security; it is still premier in what it essentially provides to the DIY HA user.
        Last edited by Pete; November 27, 2009, 10:47 PM.
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          #5
          Hai

          I have installed several HAI systems for customers, and I had an OmniLT system with Homeseer in my previous residence. I moved and I needed somthing simple, so I put in a DSC system which was our standard. After about 6months I took it out and put in the paradox, mainly for the expanded wireless capability and access control. HAI works great for HVAC, lighting, relay control, and security, but many of the features are duplicated in Homeseer. I am a big fan of using Homeseer as a "system of systems" I like having independant subsytems doing thier own functions.

          It would be worth the effort to create a plugin if it were only to use Paradox for access control. It is cheap and works very well. I have multiple doors, a gate, and even the drawer in my nightstand running on ACM modules with keypad/card readers.

          Paradox also has an IP module out now, so I'm not sure if that could be utilized to interface with HS or not.

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            #6
            So who is going to bite the bullet?
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              #7
              Richey, creating a plugin for Parodox is a great idea.

              I would tend to believe that IP is a common direction now. I was doing an enterprise (nationally) card access / security base test and had servers set up both in TX in the Chicago area. I suggested and implemented (primitive though) controllers connectivity via IP for the newest implementations in a hub and spoke manner. The application servers interconnected via IP and downstream connected to the controllers via RS-232 (via legacy style Black boxes). Having the network interface built into the controllers with more than legacy serial level communications would have been great at the time of implementation. The only thing I could get though was a "black" box serial to IP connectivity methodology from the big players (nationally) though, ineptness and a "glance" into the future of what could be. Internationally "looked" what was being done in the UK / Europe / Middle East offices for card access and each geographical location was doing their own thing with technology exceeding what was being done in the US which made it that much more difficult to come up with a common "do all" solution and dealing with the stubborness of not changing what was not broken and having to deal with unique but very different technology methodologies.
              Last edited by Pete; December 1, 2009, 06:28 AM.
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                #8
                IP100 Module

                The IP module works great. It is much better than other vendors IP implementations. You can use it with the installer software and the end user software.

                We did the same thing you mentioned for quiet a few years before the IP module came out. I use 232 to IP adapters and emulated the serial port on the admin computer. With the IP100 you can just select what IP you want to connect to and it is there.

                Not necessarly related to Homeseer, but you can also purchase a Paradox IP receiver and have all of your installed panels report in to the "corporate" office in addition to the monitoring company.

                So how do we go about finding somebody to work on this with us? I need to bite the bullet and get the new upgrade of HS, but I've been holding off, waiting to see if we can get this plugin first.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rico View Post
                  The IP module works great. It is much better than other vendors IP implementations. You can use it with the installer software and the end user software.

                  We did the same thing you mentioned for quiet a few years before the IP module came out. I use 232 to IP adapters and emulated the serial port on the admin computer. With the IP100 you can just select what IP you want to connect to and it is there.

                  Not necessarly related to Homeseer, but you can also purchase a Paradox IP receiver and have all of your installed panels report in to the "corporate" office in addition to the monitoring company.

                  So how do we go about finding somebody to work on this with us? I need to bite the bullet and get the new upgrade of HS, but I've been holding off, waiting to see if we can get this plugin first.
                  You will more than likely need to find a developer that has one of these systems or pay one and provide a system. This issue with the second option is if they are not familiar with the system it will be hard to write a plugin for it.
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                    #10
                    My DSC 832 Panel is getting a little tired. It works well, but is getting to capacity and m,y installer has switched to Paradox too and is recommending that it's time for a change.

                    My problem is that my HS install is tightly integrated to my DSC panel. My other problem is that it seems the HS team are no longer developing the DSC plugin and it has some fundamental flaws, so I'm stuck between a rock and and a hard place.

                    I've scoured the web for documentation on the Paradox IP100 moduls but can't find any protocol information. If someone has a login to the Paradox site and can find more detail then I'll do some investigation into the feasibility of writing a plugin.

                    Step 1 is to get some protocol data and take it from there - I'd also far prefer to work with IP than RS232.
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                      #11
                      Paradox Protocol

                      I have a copy of the serial protocol. I also have copy of the docs for teh automation module. It is USB or serial only. I sent an email request through our distributor to see if they will send us the IP100 protocol information. They may be reluctant since they have their own IP receiver that they sell to central stations, and access to the protocol would allow competitors to build a competing product.

                      Attached is the info on the automation module, it uses ASCII text data to communicate.
                      Attached Files

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                        #12
                        Paradox IP connection

                        I got a response from Paradox and their only solution is to use the integration module which I have posted the protocol for above.

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                          #13
                          This link is on a password protected area of the Paradox website -- can you send me a copy to look over?

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                            #14
                            Ascii pdf

                            The actual file is posted above...
                            It looks pretty straightforward to me, but I don't know anything about writing a plugin.

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                              #15
                              Paradox plug-in

                              Do you create a plug-in module?

                              I have interested for connect my Paradox system to HS2.

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